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Refine some Metroid Room 2 shinecharges #2085

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Refine some Metroid Room 2 shinecharges
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add Wave option for avoiding Metroid eating shot
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update note on lower platform run speed
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add notes and canTrickyDodgeEnemies requirement
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add devNote about unmorph downback method
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{"types": ["powerbomb"], "requires": []},
{"types": ["missiles", "super"], "requires": ["never"]}
],
"flashSuitChecked": true
"flashSuitChecked": true,
"devNote": "FIXME: refine this and add a canTwoTileSqueeze option."
},
{
"id": 18,
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"canShinechargeMovementTricky",
{"or": [
"canMoonfall",
"Morph"
"Morph",
"canTwoTileSqueeze"
]},
{"or": [
"f_KilledMetroidRoom2",
{"metroidFrames": 25}
{"metroidFrames": 100},
{"and": [
"canInsaneJump",
"canTrickyDodgeEnemies",
{"metroidFrames": 10}
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  • Avoiding a grab seems really unreliable for moonfall and morph roll off
  • unmorph+downback is going to be the fastest way through the shortcut. It looked relatively stronger with comeInShinecharging though.
  • TwoTileSqueeze looked strong in comeInShinecharging too.

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Here's a little practice session for the moonfall: https://videos.maprando.com/video/6622. I got 6 successful attempts in a row at the end, showing it can be reliable if you do the moonfall from the correct position. I need to add to the note to explain this though

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For me avoiding damage with the morph roll was harder: https://videos.maprando.com/video/6623. It feels like it can be reliable if you aim for the correct place to soft-morph. I still miss it a lot but it feels like movement errors on my part rather than something fundamentally unpredictable/uncontrollable.

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Like this https://videos.maprando.com/video/6631
And it would be the hardest method to execute.

I feel I would always trust TwoTileSqueeze over moonfall here. But they are both low level tech in context here, and not driving the logic.

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I see, nice, didn't think of that one. Yeah that feels harder than all the other methods but it leaves with more frames remaining (and avoids all damage). Left it as a FIXME because I wasn't sure what the tech requirement should be.

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]}
],
"exitCondition": {
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{"types": ["powerbomb"], "requires": []},
{"types": ["missiles", "super"], "requires": ["never"]}
],
"flashSuitChecked": true
"flashSuitChecked": true,
"note": [
"If Metroids are alive, minimizing damage from them requires tricky movement to manipulate them:",
"the moonfalling option must be done starting from almost a tile to the left of the opening;",
"likewise, the morphing option should soft-morph about a tile to the left of the opening. "
]
},
{
"id": 20,
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"note": [
"Not pressing dash will make the platforming easier, unless HiJump is also equipped."
],
"devNote": "Metroids randomly block shots fired and can make opening the door unreliable."
"devNote": [
"FIXME: Add variations for tanking the Metroid damage (taking into account how they can block the shot to open the door)"
]
},
{
"id": 34,
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],
"flashSuitChecked": true,
"note": ["Spinjump into the opening below the top door."],
"devNote": "Metroids randomly block shots fired and can make opening the door unreliable."
"devNote": [
"FIXME: Add variations for tanking the Metroid damage (taking into account how they can block the shot to open the door)"
]
},
{
"id": 35,
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"Wall jump up the right wall and either mid-air morph to fit through the gap below the top door.",
"Alternatively use a mid-air wiggle to reduce the height of Samus' hitbox after the walljump, to be able to fit through the gap without morphing."
],
"devNote": "Metroids randomly block shots fired and can make opening the door unreliable."
"devNote": [
"FIXME: Add variations for tanking the Metroid damage (taking into account how they can block the shot to open the door)"
]
},
{
"id": 36,
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"note": [
"Use a mid-air wiggle to reduce the height of Samus' hitbox after the walljump, to be able to fit through the gap without morphing."
],
"devNote": "Metroids randomly block shots fired and can make opening the door unreliable."
"devNote": [
"FIXME: Add variations for tanking the Metroid damage (taking into account how they can block the shot to open the door)"
]
},
{
"link": [2, 1],
"name": "Come in Shinecharging, Leave Shinecharged (Left Side, Tricky Dash Jump)",
"entranceCondition": {
"comeInShinecharging": {
"length": 0,
"openEnd": 1
}
},
"requires": [
{"shineChargeFrames": 170},
"canTrickyDashJump",
"canShinechargeMovementTricky",
{"or": [
"f_KilledMetroidRoom2",
"ScrewAttack",
{"metroidFrames": 160}
]}
],
"exitCondition": {
"leaveShinecharged": {}
},
"unlocksDoors": [
{"types": ["super"], "requires": [
{"or": [
"f_KilledMetroidRoom2",
"ScrewAttack"
]}
]},
{"types": ["missiles", "powerbomb"], "requires": ["never"]}
],
"flashSuitChecked": true,
"note": [
"Go up the left side of the room to make it out the top door with a few shinecharge frames remaining."
],
"detailNote": [
"Avoid getting more than 2.75 tiles of run speed on the lower platform (or Speed Booster will shorten Samus' jump):",
"either release run early, or do a big initial jump to land in the middle of the lower platform before starting to run."
]
},
{
"id": 37,
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"Shoot the door open and spark out."
]
},
{
"link": [2, 1],
"name": "Come in Shinecharged, Leave With Spark (Left Side, Tricky Dash Jump)",
"entranceCondition": {
"comeInShinecharged": {}
},
"requires": [
{"shineChargeFrames": 130},
"canTrickyDashJump",
"canShinechargeMovementTricky",
{"or": [
{"and": [
{"or": [
"f_KilledMetroidRoom2",
"ScrewAttack",
{"and": [
{"metroidFrames": 145},
{"or": [
"Plasma",
"Wave",
{"ammo": {"type": "Missile", "count": 1}}
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]}
]}
]},
{"shinespark": {"frames": 13}}
]},
{"and": [
{"metroidFrames": 150},
{"shineChargeFrames": 10},
{"shinespark": {"frames": 7}}
]}
]}
],
"exitCondition": {
"leaveWithSpark": {}
},
"unlocksDoors": [
{"types": ["super"], "requires": [
{"or": [
"f_KilledMetroidRoom2",
"ScrewAttack"
]}
]},
{"types": ["missiles", "powerbomb"], "requires": ["never"]}
],
"flashSuitChecked": true,
"note": [
"Go up the left side of the room and spark out the top door.",
"If tanking Metroid damage, then the Metroid can block the shot to open the door;",
"to avoid this, either jump toward the door with dash speed or use Plasma, Wave, or a Missile."
],
"detailNote": [
"Do a big initial jump to land in the middle of the lower platform,",
"and jump before running more than 2.75 tiles, to avoid a Speed Booster dropoff in jump height."
]

},
{
"id": 43,
"link": [2, 1],
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